Mitch Lieberman

A Meeting of the Minds, Time Well Spent

Getting together with peers, people who think about, even struggle a bit with the same things you do, in the proper setting can be a very positive experience. A good meal and some proper Scottish weather, as well as leaving the office routine behind provide the proper the ingredients for interesting and useful conversations. How many opportunities do you have to spend time with people or peers who are trying to address the exact same issues as you? We all work with teams or within teams (or advise teams) who are seeking to achieve similar business goals. But the burden of the solution rests with one person – you. While attacking the problem, very few of us look at it the same way, we each have our own unique perspective. It is the difference in perspectives, looking at the problem from a new angle and how the solution appeared is the really valuable part. How often do you get the chance to talk about the core issues, the really hard problems, in a focused, dare I say safe, environment?

When we decided to sponsor the business round table in Turnberry (Scotland), we ordered up the weather specifically for our guests  (doubt me? check the photo above taken on the day of). More important we invited everyone to leave his or her day jobs and provided a relaxing and safe atmosphere to talk freely about the state of customer service, CRM and, at points, technology in general. What do I mean by talk freely? I mean that what was stated in the room will not be shared, nor would there be fear from political attacks or showing weakness. I did want to share some high-level thoughts and general themes – without naming names. I would also like to add that the Ciboodlers in the room did not actually talk very much at all! For those of you who know us, I mean really know us, you can imagine that is no small feat.

What topics were covered in the 3 hours?

We only hit on a few key topics during the time period: Technology, Demand Planning, Channel mix, Cross Selling, Voice/Call Centre, How to sunset older systems, What happens if projects fail, What is the ROI of CRM, What is Social CRM, How does the physical world fit within CRM – But my favorite quote of the day was easily “Is there a Eureka moment?” Now, I am sure to get that last one wrong if I try to describe the context. My sense is that as people shared their stories, and stories they were, information could be gleaned from words unspoken and body language. Ideas that are simply not possible through press briefings, blogs or interviews came to light. People did not only talk about success, people talked about failure.

In the Information Technology business, failure is about losing time and money. So, we need to keep it in perspective. The truest failure is not learning from our mistakes. Some of the key challenges included lack of management support, pushing very hard for ROI and KPI to justify projects, How to build the business case for the C-suite and Board of Directors. There was a comment during the day that if you have senior level executives pushing too hard for ROI, the battle is already lost. My lesson here is that from the earliest of conversations, what you are trying to accomplish needs to simply be so compelling that everyone just gets it!

In the realm of Customer Service, Customer Relationship Management or Contact Centers, the common theme is the customer and the customer experience. Some companies are working hard to determine channel mix; which channels do their customers want to communicate on (in-person is a channel). How does the customer service perspective map to company and product strategy? Others are trying to “Homogenize” the toolset; there are too many tools and technologies, which are solving, or trying to solve part of the problem, with few looking at the whole problem. In the end, companies do realize that loyalty, as measured by repeat business, is very often an emotional decision determined by the most recent interaction the customer has had with your business. The most important question, how do I make sure that each interaction is memorable, in a good way?

Greig Ewart

All Customers Are Created Equal But Some Are More Equal Than Others?

“Thank you for continuing to hold. We value your custom and look forward to speaking with you soon”, the saccharine recording repeated like the mantra of some demented yogi. However, far from the Zen-like assurance and calm their chant presumably intended to evoke, it had me reflecting more on the cliché that if they really valued my custom, they wouldn’t keep me on hold for so long. By the fifteenth minute the message had developed from a slightly patronising inconvenience to a sardonic mockery. “They should value my custom”, I retorted during one of the brief bursts of late-nineties ringtone that appeared to be punctuating her announcements, “I am a good customer: I deserve to be treated better than this”. Which made me think, in a world that so blatantly stratifies and discriminates, was the Marxist mystic at the other end of the phone right and private enterprises should value every one of their customers equally? Or should we carefully pander to selected favourites while leaving the rest to eat cake?

The first point to note is that typically customers are not actually treated equally – as anyone who has ever had to walk through the salubrious front of a plane to the cattle-hold in the rear will attest. However, even when formal attempts at price differentiation are ignored, customers generally will still be treated differently – especially when they have to deal with a human. Oftentimes, the decision on how to treat a customer is left, at least in part, to the agent, who may vary how accommodating they are based on how pleasant the customer has been, how close it is to the end of their shift or how hungover they are from the night before.

There is, however, nothing particularly untoward in being discriminating in the level of service we provide either – though it does need to be based on something a little more meaningful than the number of pints your agents consume on a Tuesday night. Business is all about allocating scarce resources in the most efficient manner to ensure the greatest return to the owners. Therefore any business action should have both its costs and benefits carefully analysed to allow for the optimum behaviour to be selected.

Of course the key here is having sufficient information – and using it – to make sure all these potential costs and benefits are taken into account. For example, one could naïvely assume that the “Premium Member” who pays $70pm to use a gym should always trump the “Basic Member” who pays a meagre $40pm. However, in actual fact, a given basic member may have a greater net value compared with a given premium one. This is because the former may prefer to sit at home eating nachos and watching “The Biggest Loser” instead working-out, while the premium member visits daily and constantly calls in to complain, raising the cost to serve him above the difference in his membership rate.

Even if crude measures are dumped in favour of something more sophisticated, businesses can still shoot themselves in the foot by being myopic. Just because a customer is of low value today doesn’t mean they won’t be valuable tomorrow. Obviously treating a customer well will make them more susceptible to your upsell attempts but this isn’t the only way their value can increase over time. Take students, for example, most of their assets are typically held in books and ramen – but yet banks scramble for their custom. This is not because they think instant noodles are the only safe store for capital in this turbulent economic climate but rather because they know students generally go on to become graduates who, in turn, get paid more money and subsequently generate more business for the bank.

Differentiation also runs the risk of incurring the greatest cost of all: the opportunity cost of getting it wrong and mistaking one of your best customers for an undesirable. This is why the process cannot be left up to humans. Even assuming the agent has the best interests of the business in mind, they cannot possibly conduct an accurate assessment of the customer’s current and future value then determine how they should be treated based on this while trying to keep their handling time down, cross-selling other products and remembering to tell them about your self-service website. It therefore must be built in to the CRM application.

For this to be successful it requires a number of factors. Firstly, the CRM software must constantly be capturing and updating accurate and timely information about the customer. It must then feed this data into an intelligent and evolving analytics engine to make predictions and assessments of value based on this data. Finally, it must be process-centric and use the output of the analysis throughout the application to ensure the agent employs the correct policy and disposition for the customer in question.

It goes without saying that we should always strive to provide a high minimum standard at the lowest possible cost to serve for all our customers. However, in this increasingly competitive international business environment we need to be smarter about how we use our resources – and subsequently how we decide what customers to develop, hold or divest. Better CRM is the key to both.

As for the business of trying to convince a customer they are important via the medium of recorded message, it seems that this may be beyond the scope of even the smartest CRM software. Perhaps the offshore agent that’s just picked up will do better with the script he is clumsily regurgitating to this “valued” customer…

Liz Erk

Captain of the North American Ship!

There have been some exciting changes at Sword Ciboodle as the company continues to grow. Over the last six months the company has attracted some excellent talent to continue its drive, and for this Q&A installment I spoke with Rich DeFrancisco, Sword Ciboodle’s new CEO for North America:

Liz Erk: What attracted you to working with Sword Ciboodle?

Rich DeFrancisco: I was most attracted to the positioning of the global organization to gain dramatic market share, given the products’ ability to scale and the depth and breadth of functionality verses the leading competitors. I saw a key opportunity to seize the market in the US with a product that was built for highly scalable, complex organizations like Sears, Bally’s, and other global customers such as these.

Liz: You have a well-established track record of growing technology companies. What would you say is the biggest challenge you ever faced in this area?

Rich: The biggest challenge is always to attract the best and brightest people. In order to do so, you have to provide them with the ability to be successful in so far as a product that is well positioned, a vision that is well constructed and solid, and the management team that will support them.

I feel that all three factors are present at Sword Ciboodle.

Liz: Where do you envision Sword Ciboodle a year from now? 5? 10?

Rich: I see the organization as a recognized leader in the CRM Customer Contact Center Area, with global partnerships extending to the Systems integrators, as well as technology partners. I believe that we will continue to innovate, and will acquire other niche vendors, enabling us to carve out additional opportunities in the global markets.

Liz: As a fresh new member of Sword Ciboodle, what do you see as the company’s key competitive differentiators?

Rich: I believe that our differentiators are our ability to provide the market with a solution that is able to integrate across all of  a customer’s platforms, providing the company with a holistic view of their data while continuing to provide excellent customer service, agent experience, and desktop management.

Liz: Many companies claim to be “market innovators,” but then can’t really say what or why they really are. So from your perspective, what makes Sword Ciboodle innovative?

Rich: We bring in the most talented graduates; give them freedom to explore new innovations without fear of failing. We also provide them with an environment whereby they can grow, as a large majority of our employees have been with the company over 5 years, and some as many as 15 or more.

Liz: What do you see the “call center” looking like in 2015?

Rich: I believe that the products of today will continue to innovate, and the world class business processes will continue to evolve in response to customer needs. I believe that the social aspects will come into play sharply, and the customer expectations across all business and personal communication platforms will have to have a similar capability, look and feel and customer experience in order to stay competitive with an increasingly growing tech savvy user community.

We have some extremely innovative ideas, and are certainly working on some exciting enhancements and products that should help lead the way to a satisfying customer experience.

Liz: What would Sword Ciboodle staff and customers alike be surprised to learn about you?

Rich: I think that they would be surprised to learn that I started my career as a printer’s apprentice at the age of 7. My father owned a printing company, and by the age of 10, I had a wedding invitation business and was cold calling recently announced engaged couples to try to sell them wedding invitations. A true sales executive at a very young age!

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Rich sounds like a born salesman and leader indeed! It’s going to be exciting to watch Sword Ciboodle North America thrive with Rich at the helm. Stay tuned for periodic check-in Q&A’s with Rich in the near future. In the meantime, welcome to the team, Rich!